Tony Martignetti: Campfire Lessons for Leaders

Episode Recap:

Tony Martignetti, a popular leadership coach, author and podcaster extraordinaire, joined Marcel to talk about his leadership journey. Tony talked about his book "Campfire Lessons for Leaders," exploring leadership topics such as curiosity, creativity, finding your purpose and embracing emotional courage. Both guest and host shared their personal journeys transitioning from traditional careers to leadership development roles, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and vulnerability in effective leadership. The conversation covered the transformative power of storytelling, the challenges of breaking free from traditional career paths, and the intersection of art and business in leadership development.

Guest Bio:

Tony Martignetti is the founder and Chief Inspiration Officer of Inspired Purpose Partners, a leadership development firm. Tony is a leadership advisor, best-selling author, podcast host, speaker, entrepreneur, idea generator, people connector, and a curious adventurer. Tony is the author of “Campfire Lessons for Leaders: How Uncovering Our Past Can Propel Us Forward.” He brings over 30 years of business and leadership experience and extreme curiosity to elevate leaders and equip them with the tools to navigate through change and unlock their true potential. 

Quotes:

• "If you're willing to feel everything, you can have anything."
• "Leaders are shepherds for growth and the vision of the people around them, while also aligning them toward something bigger than they could achieve on their own."
• "Curiosity is not just about the question—it's about listening to what happens when we ask the questions." 

Takeaways:

• Spend 30 minutes identifying the parts of yourself you’ve hidden in professional settings. How can you integrate them into your work?
• Practice multi-dimensional curiosity: explore a completely unrelated field this month.
• Ask three people in your circle what hidden potential they see in you.
• Create a “focus and expansion” plan: brainstorm career experiments and test one within two weeks.
• Reflect on a past experience and extract one lesson to support your current growth.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Book Announcement

00:47 Welcome to the Love in Action Podcast

01:22 Introducing Tony Martignetti

02:56 Tony's Journey from Art to Leadership

04:37 Finding Fulfillment in Leadership

08:46 Defining Leadership and Service

09:51 Campfire Lessons for Leaders

20:16 Embracing Emotional Courage with Peter Bregman

26:12 The Importance of Curiosity in Leadership

28:35 The Intersection of Art and Business

31:25 Final Thoughts and Takeaways

34:52 Closing Remarks and Contact Information

Conclusion:

Leadership is about more than skills—it’s about self-awareness, reflection, and the courage to show up fully. Growth often requires discomfort, but through curiosity, emotional honesty, and connection, leaders can inspire teams and create meaningful change. When leaders bring soul into business, they leave lasting impact.

Resources & Links:

• Website: ipurposepartners.com
• LinkedIn: Tony Martignetti
• X: @TonyMartignett1
• Instagram: @inspiredpurposecoach

Transcript

Marcel Schwantes 00:03 

Hey gang, welcome back to the show. Glad you are here. I am so geeked up about today's guest I'm bringing to the show, Tony Martignetti. Tony is the founder and Chief Inspiration Officer of Inspired Purpose Partners, which is a leadership development firm. Tony is a leadership advisor, Best Selling Author, podcast host, speaker, entrepreneur, idea generator, people, connector and a curious adventurer. He brings together over 30 years of business and leadership experience and extreme curiosity which we're going to talk about to elevate leaders and equip them with the tools to navigate through change and unlock their true potential. And speaking of best selling author, Tony wrote Campfire Lessons for Leaders: How Uncovering Our Past Can Propel Us Forward. And there it is. If you're watching on YouTube, I'm happy to have Tony join me now. Welcome to the show, Tony. 

Tony Martignetti 01:12 

Well, thank you so much for having me on Marcel. It's just wonderful to be in conversation with you again, because I had you on my show recently. 

Marcel Schwantes 01:20 

That's right, that's right. And full disclosure of a gang, yeah, we did a podcast swap like Tony, bring me on and I'll, I'll return the favor. And so here we are. Tony's on the show. So hey, we start the show like this, as we do with every guest. You ready? I'm ready. What's your story? 

Tony Martignetti 01:42 

What's my story? Alright, so my story is that I, I was an artist as a child who really connected with the idea of developing worlds that had emotional experiences. How's that for a mic drop moment? I, you know, of course, went the path of most artists, where you really realize you have to do something that's going to make you money. So I went pre med instead of going into art. But you know that, that, you know, that element of the artist doesn't go a lot go away. It just stays in your heart. And, you know, just get stuff down a little bit. And as I went into the world, as, you know, pre med, then I switched into business, because I realized that maybe being a doctor wasn't my path.  

But I spent most of my career working in biotech, so I got this chance to live in the world of science and business, and it was a wonderful journey. I spent 25 years working in life science industry, where I got a chance to work in finance and strategy roles. So wonderful journey. And I worked on some amazing therapeutics and did a lot of deals to help bring new therapies to life, but then eventually found myself feeling like something was missing, and that's what led me to this path of deciding to Leave the corporate world and start my journey into leadership development and coaching and starting my own firm inspired purpose partners about seven years ago.  

Marcel Schwantes 03:29 

So but bring me back to something was missing. What? Yes, what exactly in your heart of hearts, did you feel was that empty spot there that was missing? 

Tony Martignetti 03:39 

Yeah. I mean, here I am, like, outwardly successful, but I just felt like I didn't feel in connection with who I truly was. And I think I was always seeking, and I was, I was jokingly say that if there's a movie made about me, that, you know, I was the lost way finder, the misguided way finder. And for me, it was I really loved people, and I loved learning about their journeys, and I was super curious about, you know, what made people do that do what they did? And that's what I felt like was missing in for me, was a sense of, why am I using one side of my brain, the analytical side, as opposed to the artistic side, and feeling frustrated that I was just not using my full capacity, but I didn't know what to do, besides continue to move forward, and what was really missing was that I just felt like my heart was not in it any longer. 

Marcel Schwantes 04:43 

Yes, because, I mean, when you're coaching and advising high level leaders, you know, maybe the analytical side kicks in a little bit. Okay, that never goes away, because we have to reason and have logic, etcetera. But Tony, I mean, I. Yeah, the this speaks to me as well, because I only found my calling when I finally realized that who I truly I wasn't truly, bringing out the best or all of me and my chosen profession, which, if you go back 20 years, it was HR I was, you know, HR manager, HR guy. But it wasn't lighting me up, yeah, until I found this path towards helping other leaders succeed and in serving them well, to propel them to, you know, to be successful.  

And that's when it was like it was a wake up call, just like, I'm never going back, never going back to the corporate world, even though I am in a corporate world. But now I'm in a different time, different way of serving others is I'm no longer, you know, serving, quote, The man in the penthouse, if you will. I know that's in 2025 maybe that's not a good term to use, but yes, but it's now being able to help create pathways for people to truly tap into who they are as leaders, and I think that putting yourself in that role where you realize, for you, okay, this is what lights me up. Same thing for me. And that's when my journey to fulfilling my calling began, is in service to other leaders. I don't know. Does that resonate at all with you?  

Tony Martignetti 06:36 

100%, I mean, I think that, you know, hearing you say that, and you know, I really I hear it from a lot of people. And it doesn't mean you have to have, you know, you have to leave the corporate world to find that, you know, I think one of the things that's so important is that, you know, listening to people's stories and hearing them, you know, connect with these things about themselves that they often put to the side. I think one of the things that I've really started to connect with lately is this, for us to be fully expressed. It's about letting in the parts that we put aside and hold back or say, like, oh, that I can't bring that in, but we need to bring those in, because when we feel fully ourselves, then we show up with our full, full selves into the workplace, yeah, but also into the work. And as you know, this will resonate with you, because of what you talk about, is that that's where our love shows in in the work. Because when we show the love of what, who we are in the work, things change. 

Marcel Schwantes 07:41 

Mm, yeah, you're already delving into some aspects of the book campfire lessons for leaders, but before we dive in, in your own words, Tony, define the meaning of leadership for us. 

Tony Martignetti 07:56 

Yes, you know, one of the things that I often talk about is this idea that like you're as a leader, you are in service to the people around you. And being of service is not what people think it is. Sometimes they think of it as being like, you know, giving, giving, giving, giving, but sometimes it's about being of service in a way that shows that you're caring for the people in your in your circle, and what that means is that you're caring for their growth, that you care for what they want in the world, that you know what they that what they envision for themselves, and you're helping to unlock that for them. Yeah, so leaders are shepherds for the growth and for the vision that the people around them have, but also aligning them towards something that's bigger than they could do on their own. 

Marcel Schwantes 08:52 

Mm, yeah, I love the metaphor of the leader as Shepherd. I'm visualizing that now. So What? What? Let's talk about the book. Okay, so describe for us basically. I mean, how did you go about getting all of these lessons, campfire lessons, together? And I love speaking the metaphors, because, I mean, it's, it's on the cover is, there is a picture of a campfire and, and if it gives you that feeling of, okay, let me sit down and hear all these stories, because it's it. You know, storytelling is the best way, I think, to kind of help, help teach leadership skills right through storytelling. And you've got a bunch of that in your book. So talk about the journey to writing this book. What was that like? 

Tony Martignetti 09:39 

Yeah, I definitely, and I'll start by saying I wanted to create that somatic experience, you know, it's like, you're not going to just sit here and, you know, read this with, like, the idea that you're going to take away business lessons. It's more about get into yourself, you know, allow yourself to slow down and listen. So that's that was intentional. Yeah. The idea of the book, really, I'll just take it even further back from the book to the podcast. You know, originally the podcast was the virtual campfire. Was this idea of bringing people together to share stories through what I called the it was going to be called something very different. It was going to be called divergent minds, convergent hearts.  

And I wanted to bring people together who thought differently, to share stories and talk about ideas that they may not agree with, but to get to know each other and to maybe see each other in different ways. But of course, the pandemic happened, and that shifted everything. And it became a podcast where I would be one on one with, you know, interesting people, sharing stories. And as I went on that journey, something that I didn't think I would ever be doing is podcasting, I realized that these stories were too rich, too rich for me to just leave on the, you know, in the ether, I needed to create some vehicle to bring them to life in a different way.  

And so that's when the idea of the book came to life. Is this idea that I almost had an obligation to share them, and I had to do it in a different way, because I realized that every time I would sit down and talk to these amazing people, I realized that there was some key themes that were showing up, and as I started organizing the book, I realized these lessons were powerful and something that people could learn from at the core of the book. And I won't ramble much longer, but I will say at the core of the book is really this idea that, you know, we need to connect with our story so we can better know ourselves, and when we do that, we can connect better with others. So, you know, the core of the book is really deeper connection. 

Marcel Schwantes 11:55 

Yeah, and this could be a sort of a scary element for some people, because the subtitle is how uncovering our past can propel us forward. A lot of people don't want to go uncover the past because the past is full of skeletons in the closet. 

Tony Martignetti 12:12 

Yeah, yeah. And I think that is the essence of why it's important for us to think about this. You know, one book that came out that I'll just mention that always got me thinking like I should have wrote that book too. Is Daniel Pink's regret, power of regret. Yes, I might have gotten the title slightly wrong, but he really digs into this idea that there is some power of regret in regret and my book is kind of similar in that way. Is this idea that we have to look back and say, what are the things that you know in our past that we need to really understand better? Yeah, it's not that we regret them. It's just that we need to understand them so that we can use them as tools for the future. Yeah, because whether you like it or not, those things are lessons in our they've become part of us, and we can either run away from them, or we can use them as ways to say, Who am I now because of that event, yeah, and how can I use that? 

Marcel Schwantes 13:18 

And I love it. And even more, I think, more powerful are those people that have done the work of healing and out of out of a bad experience where they recovered from it, they experienced transformation. Yes, and how can you not want to share that with the world? Because, I mean, and again, I speak to those who have done the work of if you've gone, if you've gone through some kind of emotional trauma or hardship or failure, and you're able to come out okay on the other side of it, that is a story that needs to be told over and over and over again. You know, if you are now in a place where you are doing well and succeeding in life, right? 

Tony Martignetti 14:03 

Yeah. So I just wanted to say one thing, that not everything has to be like a dark moment. Sometimes it's just like, you know, a realization that as you look back and you say, like, oh my gosh, when I was a child, I was doing this, and I didn't realize it until I started to get further along and saw that, that was the realization of who I was going to be, and when I started to look back and saw my childhood self, it was the realization that of who I am, and I needed to make sure I reconciled with it's okay to be connected to that childhood self, myself as the artist, you know, now, I've integrated that part of who I am into the work I do now, which is wonderful, because now I feel more whole. Yeah, yeah. 

Marcel Schwantes 14:52 

Well, one of the people that you interviewed and you put in the book is the prolific Dory Clark and. I've had her on the show as well, and you actually said that this is one of your favorites. What was one of your favorite conversations and here's the subtitle from the chapter, you have the power to create your world. Dorie Clark, embracing the unexpected on a journey to discover your entrepreneurial self talk a little bit about some of the lessons that that you learned from Dorie. 

Tony Martignetti 15:26 

Oh, I mean, we, we would need, like, at least a day for that, because she's just a wealth of great insights. But also the way she, she shares, is it doesn't come from a place of, like, from a high and mighty or, look at me, I'm so amazing. It comes from a place of humility and, you know, trial and error. And I think the key thing for Dory is that, you know, it, she started out in this world of journalism and, you know, writing articles and realizing that at some point there was, you know, realization that that wasn't going to be her path, and she, in fact, lost her job and had to figure out how to restart herself.  

And it's just wonderful to see how an early beginning can fast forward to a world where she started to see how she can create something on her own that was so unique and different than most people could ever have imagined. And now she's making an impact on many people's lives through something she created of her own volition, and I think that's wonderful. And now she's even doing things that are even further afield, doing creating Broadway shows, doing things that really lighter up. Yeah, you know. And when I think about creating your world in that way, that's what you start to be able to see the possibilities that come from that. But you first have to get out of your own way of saying, I'm a journalist, and that's the title I hold, and that's what, that's where I need to stay instead, it's about allowing yourself to see possibilities. 

Marcel Schwantes 17:05 

I wonder if that that sort of one track mind mentality comes from, maybe a family of origin, the way that your upbringing, where parents instill this this identity on you. Perhaps your dad was a journalist, and now you feel you have to follow in the footsteps, right, or becoming a journalist or a doctor or a lawyer or a police officer, where, where it doesn't it deep down inside, it doesn't feel like this is what you should be doing for the rest of Your Life. And you know, my old man, he's now in his late 80s, well into his retirement now, but he wanted me to pursue the path of the family business, which was selling computer parts and fixing computers and all that.  

And, you know, there was a little bit of a there was some guilt involved in that, because I didn't want to disappoint my old man, and wanted to, you know, make him happy and take over the business for him. But I knew deep down inside that's not that nothing about that spoke to me, you know, at the core of my being, and I'm wondering, and to Doris point as well, like I'm wondering, if we sometimes hold ourselves back because of, sort of the ideals that have been paved ahead for us, even though that's not the path we want to take. It's, it's been kind of forced on this, 

Tony Martignetti 18:41 

you know, I couldn't agree more, but I also would say there's two things that could have that happen. And I think in Doris case, it was probably more the latter than what you described. Because definitely in my case, it's what you described, the sense of like you feel beholden to the vision of the people who have come before, but with Dory, is also necessity. Was the mother of invention, because she lost her job, and then she struggled to find a new path. And so she almost was, was an accidental entrepreneur, because she had to find a way to make a different living. So it was, you know, that's something I've also seen in a lot of people, where they've, you know, found themselves doing something different because they just had to find a way to do something different, because they have no other option but to do something different.  

And I think about it right now where AI is, and I'm not saying AI is taking all our jobs, but, you know, Hey, we should be careful. We sometimes have to think, what is the pivot I'm going to make that will put me in a different trajectory, because sometimes the jobs that we had are no longer there, and we need to think, what could I do differently? And I think that's something I've seen and covered in a lot of the conversations I've had. 

Marcel Schwantes 20:03 

I want to switch to another topic and chapter well, you talk about embracing emotional courage, and that's one of my favorite topics to talk about, in general, because I work with leaders who struggle with embracing their uncertainty and being more courageous with showing up emotionally with, you know, with all their faculties, and being truly authentic with people, right? So all of this is in the chapter with Peter Bregman and folks. By the way, I've been trying to get Peter on my show for years, and thanks to Tony. Tony made the intro to Peter, so a first shout out to Peter, because he's going to be coming to the show hopefully in the next few weeks or so. But, but talk about the lessons there from Peter, about embracing emotional courage. Maybe put some definition about what that means. 

Tony Martignetti 21:04 

Yeah, I mean, I can't tell you how much of an impact Peter's had on me in so many more ways than he even knows. You know, first of all, emotional courage is, you know, in my own definition, because I don't want to necessarily put too much pressure on myself to get it right. But it for me, emotional courage is being willing to put yourself out there and feel all the things that go along with doing things that are out of your comfort zone. So you know, one of the quotes that I always think about when it comes to emotional courage is if you're willing to feel everything you can have anything.  

And that means, you know, embracing all of the range of emotions that are out there as you go out into the unknown, into the into new paths of uncertainty. And when you do that, you're able to grow. And I think about the journey I've been on, and, you know, many times I've that's exactly what I've embodied, is this ability to say I'm going to take this leap into something that I don't know, and in doing so I'm going to grow through that. And sure, there's going to be highs and lows, but that's just part of the Game of Life. 

Marcel Schwantes 22:21 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, you're sort of delving into the area of vulnerability, and, you know, and being okay with uncertainty, and that's still a hard, hard thing to do if you're a high level leader, because the higher you go, the less vulnerable, the less vulnerable you become, because you think you have all the answers, yes, right? Or you don't want to show your true colors, or you don't want to show any semblance of weakness. Air quotes, weakness, you know, because you have to show up with all your strength and your here's the air quotes again, executive presence, right? People can't see that side of you. But what would you say to those high level executives, maybe the CEO of a company, what's the first step in embracing your emotional courage? How do you go about doing that? 

Tony Martignetti 23:19 

Yeah, I guess the first starting point is, you know, when you start to feel, you know, as though you're not, you know you're trying to be perfect. You're trying to be the person who knows it all that is, is it's a very thin veil, it's a mask. And what we need to do is we can say, What am I not truly aligning with right now, because that very thing is going to require me to really show up with people authentically. So I guess one of the first steps you can be you can do to get on that path is to say to yourself, Who am I really and how am I really showing up to embody that. Yeah, and this is where my work has really come full circle. Is this idea of like making sure that people know what part of me has been staying on the sidelines, and how do I ensure that that part is now coming back to the table so I can fully express to other people who I am and not hold it back. And that is vulnerable. 

Marcel Schwantes 24:24 

That is vulnerable, yeah? And also takes, I would say, a humble leader to be able to do that, which is another strength of a great leader, is humility, to, you know, to just kind of take off the mask, yeah. Well stated, Tony, well stated, all right, another chapter I really like is a fight for what you believe in. What are some teachable moments there from your conversations? 

Tony Martignetti 24:50 

Yeah, I mean, one of the things that's really important around fighting for what you believe in is this element of like, making sure that you surround yourself with. People who believe in you first and foremost. You know, it's when I think about the people who have been on a journey of, you know, putting themselves out there. You know, getting courageous and doing things is they need to make sure that they're surrounding themselves with other people who believe in them and encourage them on the path. Because ultimately, when you believe in something, when someone believes in you, they reinforce your fight. In other words, the fight for something that's really meaningful.  

And so those things are critical for the process of becoming who you really are is having leaders who are on the path with you, who can say, I see this in you, and I know you've got it, and I know what you need to do. I know you're on the right path to doing this, and that encouragement goes such a long way. I think back to some of the leaders who I've worked with who have seen something in me that I didn't even know I even existed. And with that, it just creates that cycle of being able to move me forward and try new things, unlock new levels. 

Marcel Schwantes 26:14 

Yeah, yeah. Well, I am a huge proponent. I know you are too, because it's in your all over your book, but of activating your curiosity, and for so many reasons, but I'll let you guide us as to why curiosity is so important in leadership. Okay, I don't want to steal your thunder here, so maybe start there. Talk about how curiosity plays a role in leadership, and why is that so important in the journey? 

Tony Martignetti 26:45 

Yeah, well, first of all, you know, Curiosity on the surface, sometimes you'll be like, Oh, of course, we're curious here. That's what we do. You know, that's if we're not curious, what do we what do we in business for? But the reality is, sometimes a surface level curiosity people thinking, well, I asked the question, but just asking the question is not enough. We have to allow ourselves to luxuriate in the curiosity, which means to really sit with questions a little longer. And I think that's why it's so critical that leaders have the patience to be curious.  

And I think that's one thing that that's missing a lot in leaders, in leadership forums and leadership in in workplaces in general, is the ability to be curious about the right things and to be curious a little longer. And that curiosity is asking people you know what's important to them, what are the things that light them up, what are the things that you know they think are missing in the world right now, that we need more of and listening. You know, I think curiosity is not just about the question. It's about the listening to what happens when we ask the questions and allowing that to be part of the process of being curious.  

And then the last part of this is, is to make sure we're not limiting our curiosity into one field. It has to be, I use this term a lot, multi dimensional curiosity, which means that, you know, we need to be thinking what's outside of my field of view and maybe cross pollinating into areas that are not normally part of my work. So if you're in biotech, for example, maybe it's about, you know, I need to get curious about what's happening in the design field, or what's happening in the world of tech, or in the materials field, or whatever it may be, because all those things are coalesced, coalescing or converging into, you know, ways that we can all work together. So I think that's where Curiosity can be. A huge payoff is asking more questions, but also make sure that they're multi dimensional in nature.  

Marcel Schwantes 28:56 

Yeah, well, you have spoken to some prominent artists and musicians talk about the intersection of art and business. This is sort of a new world for me here. Okay, so I'm going to lean on you on this one, and maybe why we should tap into creativity, I think, more than ever before, because AI is doing so much of the creative, creative work for us. 

Tony Martignetti 29:27 

Yeah, I can talk about this for days, and I think part of it's because, you know, for me, in my heart, I believe that, you know, we need humanity in in the workplace as much as possible. And it also shifts the way we look at the world. So art at the core is it's a lens of how we look at the world. It's a mindset. In fact, in the artist is a is a mindset of how we look at things. It's not just okay, how can we you? How can we efficiency the way out of this thing? How can we make it more effective? It's also about how do we make it more esthetically pleasing, and how do we make sure that it is something that lights up and brings a soul to what we're doing?  

Because if we don't feel something from the what we're doing, it's not going to last forever. It's not going to last at all. And so I think art and business coming together is really about making something that is built to last and that also has an emotional connection to the people who interact with whatever we're building. And that's what I think we want. That's why art and business are the true companions that will change the way we look at the future. When we really think about how our businesses are wired, the more beautiful the business, which really, I think, is a connection to art, the better that people will want to be part of it. 

Marcel Schwantes 31:02 

Yeah, now I'm thinking about the activation more of people's right brain, the right hemisphere, to activate the creativity in all of us. Because it's we are all able to tap into that parts of us that may be buried. We just need to kind of go down there a little bit. Dig it. Dig down and bring that up to the surface. 

Tony Martignetti 31:23 

Yeah. I mean, even just thinking about the environments that we create, where work gets done, think about how the people who have designed those spaces, and even if they're virtual, we are affected by everything around us, and so why not make it more pleasing to us? Because when we feel connected, more energized by that, the better. And I think that is where art really becomes part of the picture. Is, how can we make sure that we're creating something that's more meaningful to us in that way?  

Marcel Schwantes 31:58 

Well stated, okay, as we wind down here. What's something that maybe we have not covered from the book, or from your thought leadership, or your work with leaders that our listeners must know? 

Tony Martignetti 32:12 

Yeah, well, I always like to share this, this little tidbit. It's a little bit out there, but I'll, I'll share it. One of my coaching tools that I work with people on is this thing called expand your vision and narrow your focus. And it's, it's a great little thing for people who feel stuck. So when people are feeling stuck, I say, well, like, you know, you're probably staring at this wall and you're feeling like, what to do next? What? What's the next path? And so often say, you know, expand your vision. See what else is possible. What are the things that you could potentially be doing that you're not seeing right now, because you're just you're looking at the wall.  

And so when you expand your vision, it can be challenging, because now you're got, like, all these things in your mind. So then you start to see what possibilities you want to experiment with. And once you figure out what that next experiment is you have to narrow your focus and say, This is what I'm going to do for the next week, next two weeks, and that focus will allow you to at least get further in that path. But this expansive and narrowing is kind of how you get things done. I mean, ultimately it gets people who are on, who are stuck, unstuck long enough to be able to move forward and get things done, but then also feel as though it's not a forever thing, they can move back into the expansive mode. Makes sense? 

Marcel Schwantes 33:33 

Yep. Tony, we bring it home with two questions, and he didn't get prepped on these, so there will be an element of surprise for you. Tony, so here we go. The first one is tradition on this show. It's the love question. So sticking with any themes of Leadership, Culture, mindset, or anything from your book, how do I lead with more actionable, practical love and care, day in and day out. 

Tony Martignetti 34:07 

Yes, well, I would start by saying, show more curiosity and compassion to the people around you. And those two things, those two Cs, which I'm a big fan of, C words, curiosity and compassion are, are so important because they come they complement each other. And when you're working with people and just meeting with people in general, the more that you can show those two C's, curiosity and compassion, then you have deeper connection. And why is that important? Deeper connection allows us to go further together. 

Marcel Schwantes 34:48 

Well stated, well the book, again, is called campfire lessons for leaders, how uncovering our past can propel us forward. Tony, what's your final takeaway from this conversation that you'd like our listeners to walk away with? 

Tony Martignetti 35:03 

Yes, I'm going to, I'm going to connect with the love in action theme, which is to say, you know, if you find yourself not feeling love in the work that you're doing, get curious. Get curious what it's going to take for you to connect with the work and find what lights you up and do more of that. 

Marcel Schwantes 35:26 

Yeah. And speaking of getting curious, get curious by purchasing this book, because you're not going to be disappointed the stories and the lessons are priceless on this book. Tony, if people want to connect with you, find out more about you, point them to a few ways, including your website. 

Tony Martignetti 35:43 

Wonderful for First of all, the website is that I purpose partners.com the is as not in the eye, but as in letter I. And if you go there, you can take my assessment, you can find my books, my podcast, all the fun stuff. And then the other place is on LinkedIn. I'm very prolific on LinkedIn, always sharing new stuff. And you can get my sparks of insights, sparks of inspiration. Sorry, my newsletter is available there as well. So LinkedIn, I’m at Tony Martinetti with a one at the end instead of an i. 

Marcel Schwantes 36:18 

There we go, Tony, it's been a blast. And you know, I've been looking forward to this conference. This conversation for a while. So glad we did the swap. 

Tony Martignetti 36:26 

Yes, this is wonderful, and I look forward to continuing to stay in touch and do wonderful things together. 

Marcel Schwantes 36:32 

Absolutely. And folks, you can keep the conversation going on social media with #loveinactionpodcast, and I'm going to put Tony's contact info website and all that stuff on my website. You'll find that in my show notes at marcelschwantes.com. Don’t forget the link to watch this very episode on YouTube, and also that will be on my website, marcelschwantes.com. For Tony Martinetti, let me do that again. For Tony Martinetti, I'm Marcel. Remember in the end, love always wins. We'll see you next time you.